oops I uploaded the original LOL, had to delete it before it was downloaded, I think it was viewed by one person, not sure who it was LOL. So here is the jpg version at a much lower rez, the orig was nearly 4000 wide, I was woundering why it was taking such a long time to upload. Now I dont have any more allocations left, so this will be the last for this month, sorry but they only allow 3 a month, even if you make a mistake (AW is stingy), I dont have this problem at cgtalk.com or even at renderosity.com. OK.... so let me know what you think of this image, dont just look at it and say nothing, let me know what you would like to see in the future. All the very best to all the great artist here at AW, all the best from Keith n Kay at www.falconian.com. This image is not complete but its nearly there, due to the lack of allocations here the final image will most likely be posted at renderosity.com. Once again all the very best to you all.