16 January, 2006

Help with Painting Identification - Christ on Mount Olive


I am hoping that maybe someone may be able to held in identifying the origins of the attached painting.

I know that this was painted by "Giovanni" as Christus am Olberg (Christ on Mount Olive) but the only information that I have been able to discover is that Giovanni was born in 1974 (maybe I have the wrong Giovanni?) and the painting in the attached picture was, I believe, painted in the 1920's/1930's. (Oil on canvas, 1.2m x 0.64m)

So what I am actually trying to find out is, from which painting did Giovanni make his rendition?

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.



Pete Miller 16 Jan 2006

what makes you think it was in the 20's or 30's?

Pete Miller 16 Jan 2006

So far I have found prints for sale of that painting..

here is one site I found...


the painting you have is the original painting? or is it a print as well?

Andrew Trask 16 Jan 2006

I am not really sure at all, the reason I say this is that I am informed that this painting was in the hands of the same family since at least the early 1960's, and according to the previous owner (now deceased) it was painted during that period, or "before the war". (The painting came with the house that was purchased from the estate of the now deceased old lady - and the information is from the neighbours and former lodgers of her). Additionally the number 937 appears under the signature which may or may not indicate 1937?

Andrew Trask 16 Jan 2006

I really have no idea, I have an actual oil painting (1.2m x 0.64m). I too have seen the prints but cannot find out much about the original.

Melissa Bond 16 Jan 2006

I would suspect it's a print of the original painting. Just digging, I found several of the prints to have the numbers under his name.

His originals didn't include numbers under his name. At least from another painting I found of his.

As for from which painting did he make his rendition...it's one of those days for me, so forgive me if I misunderstand....are you thinking he copied other artists paintings and you want to find the original artist?

Andrew Trask 16 Jan 2006

Hi Melissa, That is exactly what I am thinking.

I found plenty of prints of this picture accredited to "giovanni" and when I research the artist I am led to believe he was born in 1974 (this could of course be wrong). The painting I have is an oil painting on canvas but it's much older than 1974. I don't think it's "the" original, so it must have been painted from something else.

I have found references to a Czech painter called Karel Skreta (1610-1674) who did a set of 10 paintings called the "Passion Cycle", one of which is called "Christ on Mount Olive", but not been able to find a picture of it.

Many thanks..

Thom Roslan 18 Jan 2006

Hi Andrew.......

Found a site that carries repro's of Giovanni's Christ on Mount olive.......Hope it helps.......... www.picturesofchrist4you.com

Andrew Trask 18 Jan 2006

Thank you all very much for your assistance and input..

John Houle 18 Jan 2006

Well in the signature one can obviously see that it's not the original Artist that painted it.

On the same token back in the 1930s to my knowledge they didn't do canvas prints ... and you can see the texture of the canvas.

So Clearly is a reproduction of the original that the artist whom's signature graces it, painted.

Is it worth anything ? I have no idea ... you'd need to bring it to an art appraiser ... any value would be only because it would be classed as an antique and the fact that the artist is most likely dead by now ... but you'd probably need to have that confirmed first.

Good luck.


Andrew Trask 19 Jan 2006

Thank you John..

John Houle 19 Jan 2006

My pleasure Andrew

Rosa Brasel 12 Jul 2016

I got this information from the following website: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Christonmountolive.jpg

It seems that the artist who signed his paintings with the pseudonym "Giovanni" is actually Josef Untersberger, an Austrian artist.

Date circa 1920s

Notes: the original painting may be older yet.

Sheri McCoy 28 Nov 2016

Andew, I am curious, did you find out any more on this?

Crazycatz9 13 Feb 2017

I have my paintings copied on canvas by a special printing shop and the only thing I noticed is the borders at the edge without the frame is a straight line where the print ends.. No brush strokes leading off the canvass plus the canvas print usually is stretched half bleed. As for the brush strokes that too can be replicated onto canvas giving it texture. Before this kind of printing was available, art enthusiast would practice brush strokes from other artiste often tossing the bad ones until a good one is achieved. So finding many painting with either no name, dates or origins at all is mostly the reason other than that finding one of original works is extremely rare.

Abby Stone 17 May 2018

This has been in my family since 1921

Abby Stone 17 May 2018

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