Pete Miller 08 Jan 2005

yup

Patrick Miller 08 Jan 2005

No doubt

James Franssen 08 Jan 2005

Well, the good that I can see coming out of a rating system is the placement "good" works of art get inside an artistic community like this. Of course, what designates "good art" is subjective, and just because a majority likes one piece better than another doesn't necessarily make that piece "good," but it does help to put someone in the spotlight so others might adjust their own style to what seems to be appreciated most.

That's how I use a rating setup. I look to see who other people judge as the best, and try to adjust my own style toward that direction. This is only for the purpose of marketability at the moment. I can also do work that only I am happy with, but that won't get any bills paid right now.

Gayla Drummond 08 Jan 2005

There would be less fuss, so yes.

Lucas Seven 08 Jan 2005

...tried to tell them so many times...

Andrew Liberto 09 Jan 2005

Yup!

wendy bandurski 09 Jan 2005

But then what would everyone 'wine' about????

:(

joking of course :)

sorry i'm in a tormenting annoying teasing mood

Candace Bell 09 Jan 2005

You know, as far at the rating numbers go, I dont think they are really doing me that good anyway, I think my average is 9.4 and the average rating 8.8 accoridng to my members rating area.

However I do enjoy reading the comments. I would very much like if they changed it to be similar to the comment system of Elfwood where only comments are left were the artist can openly reply. Or if they are upset with the comment they can simply delete it, or if they wish give the lamer that gave a bad comment a peice of their mind for the rest of the public to see in their comments, make an example of them.

Maybe if we were able to delete and respond to negitive comments in such a way they would be less likely to do that.

Here is a link to my Elfwood gallery as an example, you can see I have responded to their commonts.

http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/art/c/a/candacebell/aciddragon_lg.jpg.html

Nina Kuriloff 09 Jan 2005

The ability to delete comments would be great! :) The only problem I foresee with artists being able to respond to comments, is that we might have "flaming" in the comments; and if there is flaming in the comments area, it would look extremely unprofessional and would be a turn off to those who are browsing AW to buy art.

Gary Glass 09 Jan 2005

This really is a no win situation. The only difference in this , is the players change. When I joined, they had ratings and there were the groups that complained and it went back and forth between the two groups , those for and those against. Then in January 2004 AW went with the wind of change at that time and change it to where you could not vote ratings but you could comment. Then in mid spring the wind of change reared it's head again about the pros and cons and then they went with the majority and now we have the ratings again. Now it is January 2005, Guess what, IT'S BACK........... This seems to be a on going argument that I don't think will ever stop having a tug of war about. I am not even going to go the route that some of us that have been on here a while would say....Please enough .... Because there will always be newer members that come on here and have no history of this and the few die hards of both camps that want it one way or another... I guess asking people to just ignore it will not make this go away... But the Flogging of this subject as gone way past into a comical situation on this site. One has to just sit back and start to laugh at this whole senario. I personally do not care one way or another if there are ratings or not. I just use this site to load my work up for viewing by clients and friends. The ratings have become a joke as far as any kind of fair assessment. Most items are getting all 10's and you also can see the cliques in here on work. which actually is fine since the ratings are skewed anyway... and even if you try to score honestly you get a whole new arguement and retaliation of people attacking you for the scores,Yet another fire to try and put out.The one big reason I can see about the ratings, right or wrong in anyones opinion is if you do make it in the "Big 10" LOL it does give you exposure where more people see your work. Don't take my word on it. just look the next day after someone makes the 10. Most people seem to go to that more than the random images...because I see a lot of the those images throughout the day. Another observation I have made is there seems(although it is not absolute) to be more hits on a persons portfolio when the rating system is in place than when it is not. GO back and check your statistics thorough out the two years if you have them. Anyway it does seem to be a no win situation between the two camps. Let the games begin... My opinion and I am outta Here...

Candace Bell 09 Jan 2005

Nina,

You make a valid point, but "flaming" would be the responsibility of the artist to take care of. If they are the kind of person that wants to respond to a message that was poor in content then thats their choice. The idea is that the artist has control over the comments in their gallery.

If they dont want this flaming to occur all they need to in this matter is simply delete the comments that were un called for. This might help eliminate people needing to bring issue about bad comments to the message bored and AW all the time. Depending on their natures they can either respond to that comment in their gallery or delete it.

If they dont want to deal with it all then they could turn off the ability for people to comment at all.

I also was thinking, I would like it so that we could comment on the gallery page as a whole rather then just on individual paintings. There have been times Iv seen a wonderful gallery and rather then commenting on all the wonderful images, would prefer to comment on the galley as a whole on the main galley page.

RQ Trietsch 09 Jan 2005

It's to bad people cannot accept an honest opinion from an indiviual.

Gary Glass 09 Jan 2005

Hi RQ, True.. It all comes down to Bruised EGO....A Fragile State of Mind...

Greg Summers 09 Jan 2005

It all comes down to this - we can't judge - we don't have enough time or knowledge - rating is a game - apparently we all want to play - the site would see less activity because we all like to keep score - it's not just here but in people in general - it isn't particularly healthy - but we sure seem to like it.

It certainly isn't making any rich - or is it? Is anyone able to to turn their ratings in to cash or happiness or health? If so, let us all in on it.

Ratings and controversy benefit ArtWanted - websites are all about traffic. I've sold a few things with the help of the site and that's the area I'd like to see developed and all this activity and maintenance around ratings and the battles that develop takes time that could be spent in better ways - such as site promotion and sales.

So Gary - this has to be at least the umpteenth time you have read this from me - that is if you have read it.

Nina Kuriloff 09 Jan 2005

Hi Candace, You have made good points! I agree that it is worth a try to give the Elfwood system a try! :)

Gary Glass 09 Jan 2005

Yes Greg my friend, I am reading it now and you know I feel the same.. As my thread and yours have put it. The horse is now mulch,,,from the flogging..LOL.. Let's say you and I go out for a beer and talk about selling our photographs and to polarize or not to polarize (LOL).. and leave the rants to the newbies.. Take Care

Paul Arruda 09 Jan 2005

Just do a search on the message boards on "ratings" or "lowballers". At least a third of the threads are about the rating and comment system.

Candace Bell 09 Jan 2005

Thank you Nina, I personally think its a great idea! I think id rather have comments, where people can leave a small critique about what they think of my work rather then rating it a number.

If I feel what they said was put in a rude manner, Ill either respond to that comment or I will delete it or ignore it. I really hope that AW thinks about my suggestion. I know they would need to find a program to allow them to do this, But I think it would work.

Juan Gomez 09 Jan 2005

Same ole' story it will never end..been here almost a year now, any-way it's said, and it's all the same...good luck Nina.

3j.t Lawson 09 Jan 2005

I've only been a member for 3 months now, but as I've seen, there are many good, average, and not so good artists here, and after looking at the ratings history pages, the artists shown seem very worthy of their awards and recognition. I, as what I consider, an average artist have been getting average ratings and look to the works thet rate higher then mine as inspirations to do better. Personally, when I vote, I don't vote for anyone's work I think is less then a 10. I don't feel I'm in a position to do so (just my thing - I don't rate things I don't understand, that's part of what I consider it when I see things I don't THINK I like) and that's not to say thet I mind others giving me lower ratings if that's what they think, especially if they give a constructive comment, and even better if I see thet their work is exceptional, but most eyes of "honesty" are worthy, to me. In society we have rating systems on just about everything, but the one thet would seem to count, for many, beyond our own rating of our own self worth, is the worth we gain from our target audience. If you get the price you're asking for, and/or more, then I suppose you've gotten the rating thet counts. Perhaps if the none cash ratings are hurting the cash ratings then the only ratings there should be are the ones in cash (or charge). I rate everyone a 10 for effort.