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Allan Barbeau 02 Jul 2009

Thanks Jerry ! You right, I'm not a big fan of bla bla but I know that you like it so thanks again for this mistral introduction.

So, like Jerry told you, I'm french (so sorry for the future strange words or sentence) but I live in Ireland. Colored Ballpoint pen is my speciality and I love this medium. I dedicated an entire forum to explain everything you want to know about this great medium ( http://creations-artisallan.forumchti.com/ ) and started to wright a book about "how to draw with ballpoint pen".

I'm as a professional artist, I draw as well with other medium like pencil ( colored ou not) and acrylic. The costumers decide ;) I will try to upload more and more pictures everyday to show up my work !

That it ! thanks

Allan

Peter Williams 02 Jul 2009

So glad I took the time to look at Allan's portfolio, absolutely masterful.

As for the number of viewers of this thread, I think it has a lot to do with people liking to see confrontation. I doubt many have read the whole thing. I have read quite a bit of it myself, I'm thinking I might give this ballpoint art a go some time.

As was once said on Monty Python...... 'Is this the right room for an argument?'

Jerry 02 Jul 2009

Greetings Peter Williams, you certainly are an exceptional artist yourself, Sir! Your pictures are extraordinary, beautiful, bold and simply remarkable as are Allan’s. You’re both masters or reasonably spectacular, my friends.

I’m very pleased that you’re thinking twice about trying out the ballpoint or biro pen as a drawing medium. I’ve provided you a list of ISO/DIN archival inks plus one pertaining to colored oil based pens or refills. Those lists should prove most helpful because they represent international pen companies.

I hope you have a blessed day,

Stith

Allan Barbeau 03 Jul 2009

Wow Peter !! Your Gallery is impressive !! I'm speechless (and it's not easy for somebody how do not like blabla ;-)

You ballpoint pen skill is perfect ! Like Jerry, I'm happy to know you will give a go to the ballpoint pen medium !!

Jerry 03 Jul 2009

A ballpoint pen's oil based half tone drawing!

Jerry 03 Jul 2009

Another oil based half tone line drawing from a full toned ink!

jim rownd 03 Jul 2009

One of the things I've noticed about use a ballpoint pen is it seems that it is almost impossible to do hair well. Mostly when it comes to doing detailed realistic art.

Allan Barbeau 03 Jul 2009

It depend of the air style ! More the haircut is complex ( like Braids ) and more it get easy to get it realistic! but anyway, it's always a nightmare.

the worst is that more the hairstyle look successful and more realistic is the portrait. Just miss haircut and the drawing looks just like a drawing.

jim rownd 03 Jul 2009

First Allan I think your art is fantasic!

I just don't see how you can get the highlights to pop in the hair with a pen. All the samples I've ever seen of ballpoint pen have that lacking in the hair.

So why focus so much on a tool that can not take you all the way there?

WESTERN ARTWORK By Denny Karchner 03 Jul 2009

I see what you are talking about now Jim. Not knowing squat about ball point pens, is there a pen that draws with white, light gray or cream colors?

I have found that with the graphite, you have no problem getting the highlights to come out. Mostly I let the white board show through or I use a "bladed-edge" Kneaded eraser to bring the highlights back out from the hair that I rubbed with a blending "tortillon," a Kleenex or my finger.

WESTERN ARTWORK By Denny Karchner 03 Jul 2009

..or when I am painting in oils, for the highlights, I just use the whites, light grays and creams to paint up over the darker hairs.

Denny ;{

Jerry 03 Jul 2009

Jim Rownd, you’re asking an easy question my friend. I’ll do a write up on that topic based on nine different art mediums used throughout history! Later, Stith

P.S. This is a ballpoint pen art thread therefore oil painting pictures should go elsewhere. You're getting desparate dude.

jim rownd 03 Jul 2009

"bladed-edge" Kneaded eraser"

exactly... from what I've seen you can't do that with a ballpoint pen. Using strictly a tool that limits you... well it just doesn't make sense to me.

"nine different art mediums used throughout history"

why bother, it's obvious what the limitation of a ballpoint pen are. typing out a history of art isn't going change that.

WESTERN ARTWORK By Denny Karchner 03 Jul 2009

Look Brother "Dude," aka Robert Singletary, I don't see your name(s) on this post title. You post what you want, I will post what I want. You didn't say a thing to Peter for posting his graphite.

Maybe you should start your own thread, then I can't post since you have me blocked. You are pitiful...

WESTERN ARTWORK By Denny Karchner 03 Jul 2009

But back to the "subject," here is a ballpoint pen artist who knows how to draw hair with "highlights." Check him. He is 32 year old, Juan Francisco Casas.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-511688/Simply-birolliant--incredible-10ft-photographs-drawn-ballpoint-pen.html

WESTERN ARTWORK By Denny Karchner 03 Jul 2009

Another "knock out" piece with "highlights!"

WESTERN ARTWORK By Denny Karchner 03 Jul 2009

Here is another brilliant ballpoint pen artist who is pretty good at those "hightlights." His name is Shohei Otomo.

http://www.pinktentacle.com/2009/06/manga-style-illustrations-by-shohei-otomo/

WESTERN ARTWORK By Denny Karchner 03 Jul 2009

It is nothing more then using the "white" of the board, canvas or whatever to bring out those highlights. Just Like I do in my art. No mystery, no voodoo, just knowing what you are doing...

...I feel a "topic based on nine different art mediums used throughout history" coming down the pike...Ho hummm...zzzzzz

Denny ;{

Jerry 03 Jul 2009

Jim Rownd, you’re asking an easy question. The sheen, shine or highlights shown on fur, hair, rope, string or yarn is based on a reversal light pattern used throughout history. Etchings, engravings, lithographs, silverpoint, pen and ink, enamel or woodblock cuttings have all solved that problem centuries ago. After that printing presses dealt with the same issue as do today’s ballpoint pen artists. I look at what each of those mediums did not at what they didn’t do.

Wood cuttings plus pen and ink we’re among the first art mediums to work with highlights. Planning or thinking out a picture was based on the highlights first and foremost because that was how contrast or depth was produced. Artists and printers of the past dealt with that issue for centuries.

In modern times art mediums surfaced that had a white, therefore a light reversal concept came into play. Now artists started off dark and progressed to lighter colors. A stacking process took place instead of using the white or light of a surface.

That means a complete new approach to art took place. Most artists think ink is the hardest medium because of the no erase practice. Pencils are pretty much like a ballpoint pen because they both are based on lines, half tones or a full tone.

Each art medium has its own virtues Mr. Rownd. Therefore desiring a ballpoint to produce something another medium can do seems not to work as you already know. Arguing is a waste of time because it doesn’t change an art medium’s virtues, limits or advantages. Arguing is most often a demonstration of emotions not facts. Facts speck for themselves.

If you desire a sheen, shine, reflection, highlight or lightened area it must be prearranged or well planned out from the beginning. All tools have a limit! We’re not focusing in on what a ballpoint pen can’t do. We’re demonstrating what a ballpoint pen can do as an art medium. Organizing a pen and ink picture from the beginning will produce your desired effect in my professional opinion Mr. Rownd.

A ballpoint pen has out sold ALL other art & writing instruments or mediums. Therefore, we’re focusing in on the most used or popular medium. Should I find fault in all the other mediums? No, I think not!

Mr. Stith

WESTERN ARTWORK By Denny Karchner 03 Jul 2009

Jerry what do you think the actual percentage of ALL ballpoint pens that are bought are actually used for what you, Casas and Otomo do and what percentage is for signing checks and documents? Just wondering...

...maybe you can copy and paste that here for us to see.