I’m a team player and supporter of your success therefore I’m providing two free & user friendly software programs for making art video’s. After you get done with your ink tests maybe producing a video or two is in order. Google is going to discontinue their video upload section therefore producing some works and posting them quickly is in order my friends.
Try the WINDOW MOVIE MAKER & PHOTO STORY 3 FOR WINDOWS… Those programs came with my Dell or software programs yet can be Googled. They are both rather easy to learn and great for those interested in producing video's using their artworks. You can also upload those video's with other forums or sites!!!!!!!!!!
I already have thirteen published with Google. One has 435 of my ballpoint pen sketches or earlier drawings on it.
A fellow artist and Web friend, Jerry
The term mixed media or medium seems to apply to, two or more elements, compounds or substances. Do you realize roller ball and uni-ball pens aren’t actually ballpoint pens?
J.J. Load and the Biro brother’s ballpoint pen inventions both incorporated oil-based inks!!!!!!!!
Uni-ball and roller ball pens use water based inks. That's like saying water colors and oil paints are the same thing, right. What do you think?
Most people in public don’t even know what ballpoint pen art is! That’s because they never thought about the topic, nor actually saw any pictures drawn with a ballpoint pen or mostly think of doodles they might make while on a phone call.
Have you used a ballpoint pen drawing in as a commercial format?
Jerry
Art deriving from a ballpoint pen is therefore called ballpoint pen art! How simple, plain or easy can a language get? I’m therefore looking for an encyclopedia, reference book or dictionary that identifies a secondary color as being the exact same as a primary color or a mixed medium as being the exact same as a primary medium.
In math 1 + 0 = 1 therefore 1 + 1 = 2 can’t be the same results or formula. That indicates if you add something to a ballpoint pen drawing your results have to become a mixed medium! A primary medium and a mixed medium aren’t the same thing therefore such shouldn’t be called by the same name or term, correct! Isn’t that how the English language works?
Minnie, Would you please clarify what your take or stance is? How can you add something to something and not get a difference result? (1 + 1 = 2) Two is a mixed medium and one is a primary medium, correct!
Just so you'll know, 1 + 0 and 1 + 1 are not always prescribed the answers 1 and 2, it depends on the mathematical system you are using. There are many more than the Euclidean system, and many other graphing spaces....that's one of the ways fractal beauties are achived.
Watercolors are a hard animal to define. Don't go there. And there are many techniques. I don't think that because I use liquid fresket or salt or alcohol with them that they are not watercolor paintings. Using a creative technique (or trick) doesn't make them not watercolors. If you define watercolors as simply a waterbased medium that delivers paint to canvas, then you get a whole lot of mediums in there. Define it as an art medium that uses the name watercolor on the tube, pencil or pan then you have something more specific. It is not, however, defined by the method of delivery...brush, pencil, sponge, etc. ; nor by the substances used to expand the creativity of the medium. The same could be said of oil or acrylic as art mediums.
Is this discussion about commercial art or fine art? They are not necessarily the same. Norman Rockwell is considered by some to be an illustrator or commercail artist and not a fine artist because of his commercial work with magazines and advertisements for coorporations. I've used Bic and Papermate pens for many years for a variety of jobs; usually just black though. Some experiences of myself and others have shown that the blue and red fade with exposure to the elements, including water. I had a friend that had kept his journal with a blue bic pen, when his house flooded he was devistated that the journal was ruined and made unreadable. Using the black ballpoint with family history has been a must and water soluble black inks will not do as they are not archival safe. When you live in a small town and people know your talents, you get asked to do a variety of things, including some commercial things. Does that make you less of an artist, Jerry?
This ballpoint pen piece, and I don't remember the brand of the pen, is on 16 x 20 piece of bristol board. It has been in several shows. I don't think there is anything commercial about it.
"So how do we decide if the pen you desire to ‘re-fill’ is in fact a ballpoint? (1) Does the pen require that you click to begin to write? (2) Does the pen require that you twist the pen to begin to write? If either of the above are true, you have a ballpoint pen. The ballpoint refill shape most commonly used around the world is referred to as the ‘Parker Style Ballpoint’ The body shape, length and ‘crown’ shown here is probably your ballpoint refill’s shape."
They are also emphasizing many new colors in refills for ballpoint pens....I don't think some are the kind of ink you are talking about. But still, ballpoint refills. I think we're done here, Jerry.
A ballpoint pen is an oil-based ink delivery system according to J.J. Load the first inventor and the Biro’s brothers that manufactured and distributed such worldwide. I’ve researched ballpoint pen’s oil-based inks for the past ten years and studied Mr. Load and the Biro’s international patents. According to the pen industry, the first two inventors and my findings your views are simply incorrect Minnie.
Changing our math system or altering historic facts doesn’t change the truth. Water based inks can’t produce a half tone from a full tone ink. Nor can a water based pen deliver a half mile line or keep up with a really fast sketcher. Ignoring those three characteristic’s of a ballpoint pen is not factual, it’s a play for control!
I worked with a ballpoint pen for forty-one years, talked with countless artists and you’re the only one trying to impose such a train of thought. It’s impossible to communicate with people that have to change how our language, math system and historical facts work.
Wouldn’t it be nice if Randy, Karchner and Minnie talked about the other people that posted artworks with this thread? Wouldn’t it be neat if we followed internationally known facts pertaining to what make a ballpoint pen special? I’m going on vacation. Please be nice, check out the facts and have a blessed and Godly day, amen. As a Christian I love you all as fellow artists, peace and good health to all.
Mr. Jerry Stith
I’m going to explain what a ballpoint pen is without going into what is, is! A BALLPOINT PEN IS A DELIVERY SYSTEM FOR AN OIL BASED INK! I’ve explained that to children about 10-15 years old and they got it quicker than some adults or elders. Amazing….
J.J. Load was born in the USA plus patented the first ballpoint pen (in 1888) here as well. His ballpoint pen was an oil based ink delivery system. Fifty years later the Norwegian Biro brothers in Argentina patented the first worldwide distributed ballpoint pen and those also operated with oil based inks. That particular patent was sold to the British Air Force then later got transferred to France only to become today’s Bic Pen Company. Bic has sold over one hundred billion of those oil based ballpoint pens worldwide and that makes it the most popular pen in history!
Every ballpoint pen in history has been produced with an oil based ink. The new Jotters, Uni-ball and Roller-ball pens all have WATER BASED INKS which certainly aren’t the same as an oil based ink. Therefore they are not the same entity, item, product or pen style. If your pen is water based you’re part of the Pen And Ink art movement. A Ballpoint or Biro pen uses an oil based ink therefore if you use one you’re part of the Ball Point Pen Art movement. Is that too difficult to follow?
I’m a self taught artist that has an art program called Ball Point Pen Art and that project is based on J.J. Load & the Biro brother’s oil based ink pens. I’m also the most prolific ballpoint pen artists on the Web plus the greatest publisher of oil based Ballpoint or Biro pen drawings. I’ve held both of those titles for the past ten years and currently have people from ninety countries from around the world visiting my main site & blog. That’s important because there’s over one billion people registered as WWW users. I started up a program, project or art movement of my own that is based on a Biro or Ballpoint pen’s oil based ink system. Therefore nothing others say really alters my foundation, platform or endeavors. That might indicate whatever I post on my sites, blog or at other forum’s message boards gets recorded as Ball Point Pen Art history. How sweet can life get!
An oil based ballpoint pen has several virtues that no other art mediums or pen systems represent. Those virtues are what make a Biro & Ballpoint pen unique or something special. Those qualities become facts of life or history if such is popular enough. Needless to say, an oil based ballpoint pen system is known, sold or used worldwide therefore nailing down its properties, qualities, virtues or special characteristics are vital. It seems odd to me that some people are ignoring the virtues of an oil based ballpoint pen. Water based ink pens or a mixed medium have a different name, physical traits, characteristics and virtues. I’m a bit puzzled why some people are trying to insist all three of those things are the exact same? I’m also wondering why people are pretending that I don’t understand or know what I’m talking about when history, facts, patents and stats support my stance not theirs!
An oil based Biro & Ballpoint pen has three exceptional virtues that separate it from all other mediums throughout history. Is that clear or simple enough? (1.) An oil based ballpoint pen can produce a half tone line out of a full tone ink! (2.) An oil based ballpoint ink has the brightest or darkest rich colors in pen history! (four thousand years of pen history) (3.) An oil based ballpoint pen can produce a half to one mile long line because of its ink reserve. (The longest flowing pen line in history) People can talk themselves silly, out number me, spin words sideward’s or protest all they desire yet those activities realistically don’t change the truth or virtues of an oil based ballpoint pen ink nor my opinion based on forty-one years as a ballpoint pen artist.
A ballpoint pen also altered the world because it was the greatest carbon copy maker in history. An oil based ink ballpoint pen has been on the worldwide market from 1938 or for the past 71 years. I’ve been publishing oil based Ballpoint or Biro drawings for the past 10 years, drawn with one 41 years or written with one for 50 years. Therefore, I have much to say about what gets recognized or published as Ball Point Pen Art or Biro Art outside of this AW forum. Ballpoint pen art is solely based on a sketch, doodle, rendering or drawing completed with an oil based ink in my opinion. That totally rules out water based ink pens or mixed medium. I’m a leader or major player within the ballpoint pen art movement worldwide and in history for the past ten years not just a person chiming in on a message board thread.
Any alteration, mixture, deletion, change or variation of that becomes a mixed medium therefore a different art form. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. If others disagree that’s up to them! If others think that’s too clear or limited that’s also cool yet not what gets published on my sites or blog. I currently have 220 artists, 87 (bppa) video’s and 3,530 ballpoint pen drawings published on my site and more people at my blog. That’s greater than all other locations on the WWW therefore it gets documented, archived, recorded and published as Ballpoint pen art or Biro art history!
I think this statement is pretty clear, detailed and full of actual facts easily supported by other sources. I would like to thank ArtWanted.com for permitting us to collaborate or discuss very important topics like this at their forum. I would also like to thank all those posting pictures others are ignoring or not commenting on within this thread. My thoughts have been published worldwide for the past ten years throughout the WWW not only on this particular thread. If you’re not a major figure within this art movement, making statements backed with actual facts or a master of the half tone line much of what you say will pretty well be ignored throughout the world or within our art community. Isn’t that how the real world works?
May all those with this thread and forum have a blessed day. If you disagree with my stance that’s fine with me. I simply suggest that folks review the patents, ink studies, company products or virtues of an oil based ink ballpoint pen. Peace and good will to all………
A ballpoint pen is an oil based delivery system. That might seem to be a pretty simple statement to many yet, mentioned, because many don’t even know what kind of an ink a ballpoint contains.
I’m an American folk artist or a self taught person that has more than a few world records under my belt, my friends. In this world the first person to conquer a mountain or to react its peak gets the privilege of naming it, correct! Many people name the peak after themselves, right. I drew with a ballpoint pen for thirty-eight years before I logged onto the Internet. In the year of 2000 I developed an American folk art program called Ball Point Pen Art, BallPoint Pen Art or Ballpointpenart. Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!
During that time there was no domain names related to the topic, sites, blog, video’s, slideshows, networks, organizations, clubs, publications or portals pertaining to ballpoint pen art. I therefore started a program, art movement or project that dealt with an oil based ballpoint ink pen used for drawings. I therefore got to make up the rules that pertained to my particular program. By that time countless billions of people around the world or throughout history used a ballpoint pen for art, carbon copies or writings. Renderings, drawings, sketches or doodles at that time was something special in my life even though many other mediums, media or creative outlets took place in my life.
Art history was always one of my favorite topics in life during those days. During my studies or traveling days ballpoint pen ink drawings never seemed to surface in the field or with many libraries. How could one of the world’s most sold items not be presented as an art medium always came to mind as I searched for any signs of exposure. Eventually producing a ballpoint pen art program on the WWW came to mind, got carried out and took off from around the world. Surprisingly enough people never seconded guess what ballpoint pen art actually meant. Mind you, anything could or can be referred to ballpoint pen art so nailing it down to doodles, sketches, renderings or drawings came to me because those were terms used by the art world throughout history via other mediums. (You can stick a ballpoint into a cake, mud puddle, empty bottle or another object then photograph it so it gets posted on the Internet and call that ballpoint pen art.)
An oil based ballpoint pen ink can produce the subtlest graphic camera-ready drawing line in history. That’s art history, elevating humanity’s sensitivity level via graphic art, news worthy, a virtue of the ballpoint pen and something we use to tighten up our ballpoint pen rendering or drawings. If you combine that exceptional fact of life and an ultra-fine ballpoint tip you have another reason for me to introduce ballpoint pen art as a medium worldwide. Exquisite line renderings can be completed with a fine/ ultra-fine ballpoint pen and its oil based ink system and that’s extremely vital to those that do graphic line drawings. Distorting such splendid results aren’t need by those desiring spectacular line drawings.
The extra-fine or today's ultra-fine tip is like drawing with a nail. I always remember how long it took to complete a rather small area because of its sharpness. People are always in a hurry in this day and age yet using an extra-fine tip totally takes that thought away because nothing gets completed quickly with that tip. I loved that exceptionally sharp point for blending, shading, polishing or refining my masterpieces. They're also perfect for starting off a picture or drawing because of the narrow, subtle or soft lines it could produce. Working quickly with an extra-fine tip was an excellent way of snagging, cutting or digging into a sheet of paper. Particularly soft or textured papers. The extra-fine tips produced by Parker in 1980-82 came as a black or blue oil based ink as did many other brands or tips on the marketplace. That very sharp tip didn't however produce much of an ink blotch. Such little ink flowed through those tips reduced any ink build ups along side the pen casing. However cleaning your tip is always an excellent idea and just another guarantee of a great finished picture. The extra-fine line could takes over were a fine tip stops. Finishing or refining a drawing was what that particular tip excelled at in my opinion!
I noticed that a Schefield Elan styled ballpoint pen currently comes with an ultra-fine tip. I have not seen that sharp of a tip on the marketplace since 1983. If you’re interested in obtaining those spectacular tips doing so is suggest while they’re currently being produced. These pens are available in medium (1mm), fine (0.8mm) and ultra fine (0.5mm) tips. The tech pens are often measured in mm’s and those are because they get manufactured in India. These oil based pens arrive with a German ink. Punch in Schefield ballpoint pens at Google. The bold or medium pen tips work best for quick drawings or sketches plus for piling on colors. If you have a loose tip a blotch or ink build up will accumulate rather quickly. I would use that surplus ink to darken my colors or black areas within a picture. Stacked or piled on oil-based inks take time to dry and should be used on absorbent papers. If you use shinny, glossy, hard, waxed or thin papers such a practice will produce smearing plus bleeding of your colors. Today there are hundreds of ballpoint pen artists that are loading up thousands of drawings or others being used as a mixed medium. What do you expect from such an outstanding instrument or medium? Colored oil based ballpoint pen inks have tremendously improved the Pen & Ink art movement in addition to making my Ball Point Pen Art movement so Upcoming.
Pen & Ink dragged its feet for thousands of years because there was never a colored ink developed. In the past forty years multi-colored bottled inks, water based pens or finally ballpoint pen inks got manufactured around the world. Some of those are ISO/DIN archival rated as the dip pen’s India inks have been for centuries. A ballpoint is the only pen system to us an oil based ink and that means thicker pigment concentrations, brighter colors, prettier pictures plus an equal footing with many other mediums. Stacking those oil based ink colors works best with a bold tip and on a thick absorbent paper. If you let the page dry going back later to pile on more ink works for me my friends.
The third historical feature of a BallPoint’s oil based pen is its ink reserve or cartridges. A crystal Bic ballpoint pen has a thin plastic reserve and they advertise over a half mile of line coming out of those models. Expensive ballpoint pens have metallic cartridges that store much more inks than those Bic models. Oil based ballpoint pen inks are described as a paste or jell in the case of a Fisher pens pressurized inks. Water based inks are thin, pale or weak in color plus can’t be stored in large quantities because it can’t be compressed.
Creativity, spontaneity and on the spot action drawings require quick action instruments like a ballpoint pen because a half mile flowing line can produce, capture or express a desired situations. Water based pens don’t deliver really quick long flowing lines such as a ballpoint can proved. That makes travel, writing, drawing and creativity for the prolific individual that much more possible. In the 1950's there were dozens of ballpoint models, and nearly every one took a different cartridge. In 1953 Paul Fisher invented the "Universal Refill" which could be used in most pens. It was a good seller, since stationery store owners could reduce their stock of assorted refills plus provide many more colors to each costumer.
Not content, Paul continued to work on making a better refill. After much experimentation he perfected a refill using thixotropic ink-semisolid until the shearing action of the rolling ball liquefied it-that would flow only when needed. The cartridge was pressurized with nitrogen so that it didn't rely on gravity to make it work. It was dependable in freezing cold and desert heat. It could also write underwater and upside down. The trick was to have the ink flow when you wanted it to, and not to flow the rest of the time, a problem Fisher solved. Fisher's development couldn't have come at a more opportune time. The space race was on, and the astronauts involved in the Mercury and Gemini missions had been using pencils to take notes in space since standard ball points did not work in zero gravity. The Fisher cartridge did work in the weightlessness of outer space and the astronauts, beginning with the October, 1968 Apollo 7 mission began using the Fisher AG-7 Space Pen and cartridge developed in 1966.
For the past seventy-one years an oil based ballpoint pen has been the most popular, sturdy or used writing or drawing instrument worldwide. If it works don’t fix it! That indicates people are satisfied or well pleased with what’s being done by the ballpoint pen industry. In addition to that they rapidly introduced ISO/DIN archival and colored inks for our enjoyment or pleasure. Well folks that pretty well explains why I love using a ballpoint pen to write or draw with as an artist. It also demonstrates that I’m up on the facts, history and our pen industry. I welcome anybody to bring forth facts that prove my statements as being incorrect or misleading because it never happened for the past ten years via the Web or in life, amen! By the way, clicking apparatuses can be found on new mechanical pencils and unscrewing casings appear with cartridge, fountain and tech pens my friends. Sorry! Good try…………
My Ball Point Pen Art program, project or movement is introducing what an oil based ink can do as an art medium. If you disagree or have other interest as an artist please start up your own art movement, society, group, organization or program just like I did. I’ve been doing art for 54 years in about 50 different locations as a military brat therefore I know many things about our art community. I know one thing, Ballpoint pen art is a fast moving or growing art movement therefore you can expect many artists and pictures to surface. In addition to that you can count on me to publish those things just like I have for the past ten years.
Cheers and blessings go out to you from me,
So It's start with Randy Nore but it's more about Jerry :) To much information kill the information they say ! I have to say that I'm more a "picture watcher" than a "Reader" so to much words and I'm lost ;)
So I will stick on watching the ballpoint pen art I saw and it's very nice so far ! I upload here my little contribution to this post !
I see Allan feels like I do, "show me the art" and not all the "copy and paste." BTW, I go by "Denny." "Brother Denny" if you wish.
Have a Blessed Day! ;{
Allan has a great site, superb video’s, my support and a very delightful art forum. He does seem to be a bit shy and apparently likes pictures instead of words. Hopefully thru time he will bless this forum with many more of his artworks.
This thread has 3,920 visits or hits because people are apparently very interested in ballpoint pen art or what we’re saying. That represents a vote of confidence or some might say, the proof is in the pudding!
Have a blessed day,
Mr. Stith
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